Post by mickPost by DaveGPost by mickPost by DaveGPost by mickPost by DaveGPost by mickPost by DaveGPost by mickDave, a small problem you may recall from awhile ago that I
never resolved was the extra carraige returns in the signature
ver 0.139.
I am still experiencing it in the updated 0.140.
The bug was reported back in 2008
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=554178
I notice that your signature has always been three lines from
any quoted text instead of the five that I suffer from.
In your Pan's posting profile what signature TYPE do you use?
I have tried text and text file but they make no difference.
There has been a lot of fixes in the latest release but not the
one I wanted and I have not noticed anything else that has
changed or made a difference.
Pan 0.140, sig type text file.
thanks, same here, text file.
must be mint that is causing the problem, was the same in 17.3 KDE,
now using Cinnamon 18.
FWIW your thread starter had 4 blank lines before the sig and this
one I'm replying to had only 3
Ah, that's because the first post was a Text signature and the
second post was a Text File signature. I'll stick with the
signature done in a text file as that does not look so bad. Thanks
for the feedback.
I wonder if the text signature displays an extra blank line because
you put an LF at the end of the text you typed in?
Misunderstood with my first reply at 19.14.
No, I am not putting an extra line feed at the end of my typed text.
When I open follow up to newsgroup there is a blank line below the
other persons quoted text, then a blinking cursor ready for me to
start typing my reply on the second line, then three blank lines below
the cursor, then the two dashes and then the signature, that's five
blank lines between the last line of quoted text and the two dashes.
If I use the 'text' signature instead of the text file signature that
produces six blank lines between the other persons quoted text and the
two dashes before I ever start typing.
Using MesNews this time which looks right.
'tis odd and no idea why yours should be different to mine. Maybe it's
not Pan but a library dependency? Have you asked in the Pan mailing list?
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At least in my case, that's because I tend to manually add/delete lines
as necessary to leave a single blank line above the signature. (On
short posts it'll be manual delete as there's too many blank lines, but
on longer posts I guess I often arrow down instead of hitting enter
twice to start a new paragraph, so I often end up manually adding lines
to keep the signature as, effectively, the last paragraph.)
IOW, that's a long term if minor bug that has been there as long as I
can remember. In fact, I /think/ I remember the old C-based pan, 0.14.x
era (upstream 0.14.x), before the C++ rewrite that was introduced with
0.90, behaving similarly. I suppose most long-term users have gotten as
used to it as I have, and simply add/delete lines manually without
hardly thinking of it any longer, just as I do.
But if someone wishes to create a patch to fix it, say making it three
blank lines with the cursor on the second, ready to type in the reply, I
imagine it'd be taken pretty fast, and I imagine that'd be a reasonably
easy patch, likely easy enough I could do it myself if it bothered me
enough, and I don't make any claims at being a coder, certainly not C++,
tho I did have a pascal course in college, 30-some years ago. But as I
said half the time I'd probably end up manually fixing up the sig
separation anyway, so it's too minor to bother patching, here.
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman
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To me that kind of sums up Linux, nothing is quite polished off. Mint
is striving to be a very good operating system and a real alternative
for disillusioned windows users but it is being let down by third party
apathy.
I really want to break away completely from Microsoft and windows only
software but it is so hard to give up all those nice touches that just
work, e.g., I use Foxit Reader for reading books and magazines at lot.
In windows you can set facing pages (to see those two page spreads of
single photos) and there is a separate cover page view, so every time
you open a file it remembers and you see the cover then facing pages as
you would normally read a book/magazine. That option is not there in
the Linux version, so you get the cover page and the next page together
then your facing pages after that are out of sync. There are ways around
that but it just makes the experience that more frustrating to work
with.
Evolution is a good alternative to Outlook but you cannot leave it
running all day in the background as it just throws wobblies, so you
have to shut it down and re-opening every so often.
The only program I never have trouble with is Firefox, the add-ons work
and it syncs perfectly with the windows version.
With all the kerfuffle about windows 10 going on during the past year it
is a great opportunity for the Linux brigade to show their strengths and
win over the windows dis-illusionists but I don't see that eagerness to
impress.
To an extent, you are right, but in this instance not quite for the right
reasons. In Pan, for example, when I click on reply the new post compose
window opens up either quoting the selected text, if any, or the whole
post if not. There are exactly three blank lines between the quoted text
and the sig and the cursor is set at the middle line. That's why I
suspect it's not the fault of Pan but some other library it's calling.
You have the same version of Pan as me but you use Linux and I use
FreeBSD so it's likely an external event causing the problem or maybe
even the compiler used to build it. Have you tried out Pan from any
other live boot OS to see if it behaves differently?
As for other apps not always being as "polished" in some instances as
some Windows apps, I think that might have more to do with the whole
ethos of open source rather than apathy or laziness. Windows apps tend
to be quite heavily monetised in one form or another with advertising,
restricted time useage, reduced functionality etc. so the authors are far
more likely to be making a living at it or at least have financial
incentive to reach the top of a very crowded pyramid with enormous
amounts of dross underneath it. The upside of that is that they have to
compete harder to make it to the top, the downside is that they need the
resources to compete to make it to the top and that means generating
income.
The more polished *nix apps are the more mainstream ones where the
industry is allocating resources to the development. In some instances
I've seen individuals or small businesses who have a specific need offer
cash "bounties" for development work.
PS, I'm subscribed to the Pan list, but I don't always check my main
email every day, especially weekends. I'll reply to Duncan with the
relevant bits above and see if that triggers any other responses from
users of other incantations of Linux etc.
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It's the (Ohms) Law.